[SPLIT LIP]

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Originally Posted by KamenRiderOOO

I don't believe so. He did use the different main color combos even after he obtained PuToTyra. Considering PuToTyra's ability to "negate desire" and therefore kill the Greeed, it was the more effective combo to use. For example, RaToraTah had proven to be able to injure Mezool when she was incomplete. When she became "complete," his "sunlight" couldn't beat her. He needed the MedaGabryu to defeat her.

Except all this is plot contrivance to justify the purple medals. If the only ability the purple medals posess is "the other medals don't work for some random reason" then why not shuffle the purple medals' powers to TaJaDor and have IT be the most powerful form capable of destroying medals? There's no reason that needed to be shuffled onto PuToTyra.

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I see ShaUTa being barely used due to there not being that much call for an aquatic battle. Just like how Rod Form in Den-O was barely used.

That doesn't excuse it.

Also, Rod form's limited use was because it didn't do anything different than Sword Form, when you think about it. It's gimmick wasn't being water-based, it was it's rod that wasn't all that different from a sword. Not as different as, say, an axe or gun.

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Technically, Birds and Mammals were present- Ankh's Cores (Birds) and Eiji himself (mammals/humanity.)

That's really weak and you know it. PLUS it doesn't match up with what you originally said.

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There actually is a whole symbolism thing going on. Reason Kazari was such a manipulative bastard? He's based on Big Cats, which like to hunt and devour birds, aquatic life, and heavy animals. He's cunning and a dangerous predator. Uva being the last of the 4 main villain Greeeds? He's based on insects, and what category does a cockroach, which is known to be able to survive even the harshest conditions, falls into? Mezool's weakness to the sunlight attack of RaToraTah? The heat dehydrates her. Gamel being not being the brightest guy around? Heavy animals tend to move slowly. And Kazari "dying" at a combination of PuToTyra and Maki's Greeed form? Even though he was "top predator," it shows what would happen if dinosaurs were still around.

All this has nothign to do with the birds/dinosaurs thing.

It's cool, don't get me wrong, but just because most of your symbolism works, doesn't mean the BS gets a free pass.

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Actually, the impact theory is still just that, a theory. Whether a meteor actually impacted and "killed" the dinosaurs, there are also the theories of disease and the drop in temperature. Granted if the meteor impact theory had been proven to be true, the results of the meteor impacting would have killed the dinosaurs.

Theories are not "guesses." The only reason teh impact theory is a theory is because we cannot go back in time and witness it.

Also "results" of the impact makes no difference. If the meteor did not hit, the Dinosaurs would not have been wiped out the way they were. If a person is shot and bleeds to death, technically it's the results of the bullet impact, not the bullet itself. Ash and dust storms do not rain down with the force to instantly incinerate entire sections of the world in nature.

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That would ruin all the fun of him imploding into a black hole with temporal properties

And we would've never got Kamen Rider Aqua!

So when does he get his own show?

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

Except all this is plot contrivance to justify the purple medals. If the only ability the purple medals posess is "the otehr medals don't work for some random reason" then why not shuffle the purple medals' powers to TaJaDor and have IT be the most powerful form capable of destroying medals?

Because that would make sense, and if there is one thing OOO didn't do, it was make sense.

[SPLIT LIP]

Considering Ankh was supposedly so powerful, it makes more sense that HIS medals have that ability instead of brand new medals made in modern times where the animals they're made of no longer exist.

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

Considering Ankh was supposedly so powerful, it makes more sense that HIS medals have that ability instead of brand new medals made in modern times where the animals they're made of no longer exist.

Considering Ankh's importance to the story, and his and Eiji's relationship you think TaJaDor would actually have a purpose and not be just another form used once or twice.

But nope let's just introduce random medals half way through the show, completely undermine everything we've been setting up and building towards and have that Combo be basically the only thing used for the rest of the show!

[KamenRiderOOO]

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

Except all this is plot contrivance to justify the purple medals. If the only ability the purple medals posess is "the other medals don't work for some random reason" then why not shuffle the purple medals' powers to TaJaDor and have IT be the most powerful form capable of destroying medals? There's no reason that needed to be shuffled onto PuToTyra.

Plot contrivance or not, you just pointed out something later on-

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

Considering Ankh was supposedly so powerful, it makes more sense that HIS medals have that ability instead of brand new medals made in modern times where the animals they're made of no longer exist.

The dinosaurs no longer existing. As we've both agreed on before, they were strong in terms of evolution. Think about it, the animals OOO uses for his other combos all live in ecosystems, sometimes together. Introduce dinosaurs into that mix, you disrupt the whole balance. I mean, in a fight, do you really see the bird dominating the heavy animal or the big cat, or would you see the dinosaur being the one that devours all? Do you really expect a dinosaur to live in harmony with the other animals of the modern age?

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That doesn't excuse it.

Also, Rod form's limited use was because it didn't do anything different than Sword Form, when you think about it. It's gimmick wasn't being water-based, it was it's rod that wasn't all that different from a sword. Not as different as, say, an axe or gun.

It kinda does when you think about it from a budget perspective. It already cost them a lot on GataKiriBa's cloning CGI cost.

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That's really weak and you know it. PLUS it doesn't match up with what you originally said.

All this has nothign to do with the birds/dinosaurs thing.

It's cool, don't get me wrong, but just because most of your symbolism works, doesn't mean the BS gets a free pass.

May not have matched up entirely, but hey, you counter my argument, I counter back.

Hey call it BS all you want, but I still think it gets a "free pass."

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Theories are not "guesses." The only reason teh impact theory is a theory is because we cannot go back in time and witness it.

Also "results" of the impact makes no difference. If the meteor did not hit, the Dinosaurs would not have been wiped out the way they were. If a person is shot and bleeds to death, technically it's the results of the bullet impact, not the bullet itself. Ash and dust storms do not rain down with the force to instantly incinerate entire sections of the world in nature.

I never said theories are guesses. I know what theories are and so far that one has still not been resolved. Dinosaurs would've still been wiped out even without the meteor or not. Even without the meteor, viral infection could still develop and a biohazard could've wiped them out. Temperatures could still drop or rise to the point that some dinosaurs would die out and some would need to evolve in order to adapt to their harsh environment.

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And we would've never got Kamen Rider Aqua!

So when does he get his own show?

Considering all the time travel in Ultimatum, I'm surprised he didn't show up with anything for Fourze and Wizard.

I love how we're arguing about scientific facts/theories in a show for kids.

With that said, can we get back on topic? This thread is about Gaimu, not OOO.

[losondro]

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Originally Posted by Sentai

No, they never do.

want some popcorn while we watch this unfold? i'll bring chairs too.

[xSkullheartx]

Did I check on the wrong thread? *checks title* No,this is the right one.

[losondro]

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Originally Posted by xSkullheartx

Did I check on the wrong thread? *checks title* No,this is the right one.

want some popcorn too?

[SPLIT LIP]

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Originally Posted by KamenRiderOOO

The dinosaurs no longer existing. As we've both agreed on before, they were strong in terms of evolution. Think about it, the animals OOO uses for his other combos all live in ecosystems, sometimes together. Introduce dinosaurs into that mix, you disrupt the whole balance. I mean, in a fight, do you really see the bird dominating the heavy animal or the big cat, or would you see the dinosaur being the one that devours all? Do you really expect a dinosaur to live in harmony with the other animals of the modern age?

And I don't have a problem with that, really.

My problem is how they were handled. Dinosaur medals are a good idea, but they shouldn't have been the final form or given that power. It doesn't make sense and they were used way too often.

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I love how we're arguing about scientific facts/theories in a show for kids.

I'm not really, I'm arguing narrative significance, furthermore...

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With that said, can we get back on topic? This thread is about Gaimu, not OOO.

Eh, what the heck. You're right about that. I'd much rather talk about him, even if most people don't like it.

[xSkullheartx]

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Originally Posted by losondro

want some popcorn too?

I would,but it seems like its over.Man,I hope they don't do a sequel.