[Battlizer]

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Lucha

It's not that I don't like shared universes. I do, when well managed and easily containable (like the Marvel Cinematic Universe). Unfortunately, when a universe exists for 50-70 years and is populated by thousands characters who aren't allowed to age (unless you're a Robin)... things become an impenetrable disaster. Writers become minutia managers and not creatives out to express a meaningful idea or tell a good story. It's why the best and most memorable comic book stories tend to take place outside of normal continuity (The Killing Joke, The Dark Knight Returns, All-Star Superman, Watchmen, The Long Halloween, Marvels, The Authority, etc...).

Taking the dense continuity approach over the long term, the universe ends up having to reboot every 10-20 years just for things to make any sense at all.

Intensive, intricate, and recursive continuity makes it impossible for new readers to enter those universes. It's why DC and Marvel are, with rare exception, niche imprints that cater to a pre-existing fanbase.

Now, since Sentai is just one show ever year, it might be manageable to create an ongoing continuity. But given how flagrantly these shows treat logic, I wouldn't want to see them try.

Yeah, but that's the beauty of getting the trade editions. I've seen people who were originally into the movies buy in-continuity Marvel books of the characters in said movies and enjoyed them.

But I do agree that it could be intimidating for a lot of people so.

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Originally Posted by EnerPrime

The thing is that if Sentai tried to make all teams in continuty every year, they'd either have to start depowering the teams at the end of their seasons PR style, or come up with some other reason that the new villains don't get dogpiled and wiped out by 30+ experienced and full powered teams earlier on.

Even then there's always something that re-powers them just as easily it seems.

[ElConvoy]

Franchise wide continuity is something in japanese media that really doesnt exist The concept of a real continuity and world building is something that we in the west are used to have but most people in japan really dont care for that sort of thing.

Its why almost every rider hangs around in tokyo but they never meet each other

[Kamen Rider Lucha]

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Originally Posted by Locke

Yeah but Super Sentai is one big franchise. It isn't like Marvel which has like a thousand publications within it.

Or they could just make sure to close Super Sentai seasons properly, like why even have the Power Animals active at the end of Gaoranger? All it's ever gonna cause is trouble. They seem like pointless creative decisions.

I'd argue that Super Sentai is comprised of multiple properties that exist under the same brand umbrella.

To further the confusion of all these characters existing in the same world, if the Power Animals have protected the Earth for hundreds of years, then why wouldn't they have intervened when Bandora escaped imprisonment?

If all of these stories were designed to operate in the same world, they'd all have to start and end the exact same way. Start: New threat emerges, brand new powers created (making impossible the idea of legacies or ancient powers and guardians). End: The heroes utterly decimate the villains and then all get de-powered. Wouldn't that make the brand even more homogeneous than it already is?

[Battlizer]

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Originally Posted by ElConvoy

Franchise wide continuity is something in japanese media that really doesnt exist The concept of a real continuity and world building is something that we in the west are used to have but most people in japan really dont care for that sort of thing.

Its why almost every rider hangs around in tokyo but they never meet each other

Aside from Garo, apparently.

[ElConvoy]

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Originally Posted by Battlizer

Aside from Garo, apparently.

Garo is really a big exception

Most japanese media is either like Digimon were every show has no connection to anything or like sentai and rider were everything is kinda sorta on the same earth but at the same time isnt

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Lucha

If all of these stories were designed to operate in the same world, they'd all have to start and end the exact same way. Start: New threat emerges, brand new powers created. End: They all get de-powered. Wouldn't that make the brand even more homogeneous than it already is?

Well yes, if you wish to make it that shallow, because by that logic every sentai ends 'with powers' or 'without them', so I'd say by that logic continued, it's about as homogeneous as it could possibly be already.

[Kamen Rider Lucha]

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Originally Posted by Battlizer

Yeah, but that's the beauty of getting the trade editions. I've seen people who were originally into the movies buy in-continuity Marvel books of the characters in said movies and enjoyed them.

But I do agree that it could be intimidating for a lot of people so.

All I'm saying is: There's a clear, voracious appetite for super hero stories across the world, as evidenced by the gangbusters success of Marvel and DC movies.

Why doesn't that success at the movies translate to success in comics? Why are comics still hemorrhaging readers at a rapid pace? There are probably a few reasons, but I think a major one is comics' dizzyingly complex continuity. Like you said, it's super intimidating.

[Kamen Rider Lucha]

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Originally Posted by Locke

Well yes, if you wish to make it that shallow, because by that logic every sentai ends 'with powers' or 'without them', so I'd say by that logic continued, it's about as homogeneous as it could possibly be already.

Well, at least now there can be 2 possible endings instead of 1.

[Locke]

Yet the success of the Marvel films has been because of the on screen continuity, so your argument kinda goes out the window there.

[ElConvoy]

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Lucha

All I'm saying is: There's a clear, voracious appetite for super hero stories across the world, as evidenced by the gangbusters success of Marvel and DC movies.

Why doesn't that success at the movies translate to success in comics? Why are comics still hemorrhaging readers at a rapid pace? There are probably a few reasons, but I think a major one is comics' dizzyingly complex continuity. Like you said, it's super intimidating.

Because the same people that go and watch a big budget summer blockbuster arent necessarily the same people that sit down and read comic books.

Comics always were and always will be a niche market. Look at stuff like IDW or Image Comics. They mostly have books with very little or no continuity but have alot less readers than Marvel or DC. So just because they have a rich history of events and characters doesnt mean people are "afraid" of getting into comics. People that really wanna read comics do regardless of 60+ years of continuity.