[WhiteRanger]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Why do you keep saying 16 volumes? The manga is 12. Fourteen if you count the two special chapters of short side irrelevant stories.

I keep on forget ten. So yea 52 ep could be possible.

[WhiteRanger]

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Originally Posted by Starscream Gaga

Um, where's your reading comprehension gone? I said it was good because PGSM ACKNOWLEDGED the fact. You even quoted it right there. Hell, Serenity was the villain because of her selfishness while in the manga everyone acted like it was totally justified.

"My boyfriend died so I'm going to kill myself and doom the entire world! Twice." Such an awesome hero.

Either way, despite a lot of filler, the anime had far more interesting and fleshed out villains, a far easier to follow plot, more interesting fight scenes (because the mangas were just... Awful) and a far more likeable cast of characters/ I've read the manga, seen all the anime and watched PGSM and I think the Anime and PGSM are just objectively better then the manga in nearly every single way.

Witch English translation did you read cause there 2 one that made to have name of the English dub. And was mirrored I think to be like a American comic and then there the new 12 volume edtion that are translated by kodansha USA that's has it as a faith full translation

[Starscream Gaga]

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Originally Posted by WhiteRanger

Witch English translation did you read cause there 2 one that made to have name of the English dub. And was mirrored I think to be like a American comic and then there the new 12 volume edtion that are translated by kodansha USA that's has it as a faith full translation

I own both the original translation (missing an issue here or there because I bought them back when manga was rare and expensive) and the Kodansha versions.

The original translations were bizarre and the Kodanshas are indeed better, but my problem is with the story and art more then the translation when it comes to the manga.

[Suzu]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Don't forget though, she has also given us Go-Buster, ToQGer, and Den-O. Not to mention that god awful Claymore anime adaptation.

Good thing I like both Go-Busters and Toqger Den-O is kinda meh, but at least it's not as terrible as other series I've seen. And speaking of anime adaptions, she also did Attack on Titan *off topic end*

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by Starscream Gaga

But they often didn't just stay the same. Many villains had character arcs, which is something the anime has in common with PGSM while in the manga nearly every villain does absolutely nothing but die within a chapter, major villains included. Beryl, for example, was so unceremoniously killed I was expecting her to come back with a vengeance right up until the arc ended.

Except there was a central villain. Don't you recall the creature that had possessed Galaxia was pretty much the one who poisoned all of the villains of the series?

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Plus, the fights in the manga are just so bad it hurts. Takeuchi makes beautiful cover arts, some of the best in the business even, but whoever told that girl that she should do an action manga is very stupid indeed. For example I loaded a random chapter and attached its "fight scene", it took me three reads to actually work out what the hell was going on and even then it doesn't look very good.

You could say the same about any manga though. Attack on Titan has okay artwork and it is hard to tell what is going on. Even the fights in series like One Piece and Dragonball are hard to follow at times in manga form.

However, an anime adaptation that is straight from the manga will help you follow the action.

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I stopped reading for ages when she stabbed herself to death because her boyfriend died, knowing it'd mean the end of the world. Just awful.

She is a child. She is stupid.

Do you hate Romeo & Juliet for the same reason?

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The plot itself is so confused its sometimes hard to follow and the anime nearly universally does the plot better and the characters themselves simply don't act like real people or react to situations like a real person would, which I have a big problem with. Sailor Stars is one of my favorite anime seasons, but the manga version was just awful.

I thought the manga version was superior. Sure, there is no chapter of them fighting in Usagi's kitchen with her knocking things over with her wings, but the story got right to the point. Plus, Usagi's future self being Chibi Chibi made far more sense than just another little girl being there.

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Also, the ending was both incredibly rushed and incredibly bleak. I hated the ending.

The ending leads to the birth of Crystal Tokyo.

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Its sad because Codename Sailor V was totally fun and very amusing but the second she got told to write a manga for adaption the quality dropped. Its also weird that the Sailor Moon anime kept the tone and playfulness of Sailor V instead of the dreariness of the manga.

Funny enough, I hate Sailor V. I won't even drop a cent on the new manga release of it.

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This is why the new anime really isn't as faithful to the manga as they claim. What I want is something like PGSM, where they do their own thing and take from all the previous Sailor Moon stories to make something wonderful.

Wait, what? Have you seen it yet?

And I don't want something like PGSM. We have already had them do their own things, twice. I want a series that is 100% the manga translated into anime form.

[Starscream Gaga]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Except there was a central villain. Don't you recall the creature that had possessed Galaxia was pretty much the one who poisoned all of the villains of the series?

That changes absolutely nothing, I'm not really sure what your defence here is. Its OK that the manga villains were nearly universally bland as hell and most were killed off in single panels and never mentioned again because in the last few chapters its revealed they all came from one place?

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She is a child. She is stupid.

Do you hate Romeo & Juliet for the same reason?

Bad comparison and a bad excuse for bad writing. Romeo and Juliet isn't a superhero comic where the main character is constantly billed as "the soldier of love and justice" and their purpose wasn't to protect the entire universe.

PGSM handled the selfishness of Serenity perfectly. She had absolutely no right to do what she did and the fact that NOBODY calls her out on her villain-level schemes in the manga is evidence of the often times horrible writing of the manga. I am so glad that the writers of PGSM had the sense to read it and think "Wait. What the hell?".

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The ending leads to the birth of Crystal Tokyo.

It leads to nothing good. They never defeat Chaos, they never win, they lose so often that Sailor Moon/Cosmos tries to rewrite history and the happiest thing we get is "Sailor Cosmos will continue to fight and MAYBE win". I refuse to believe an inevitable future that involves "so much loss that even a victory would feel hollow" is a good ending. Its an awful ending. Especially considering the implication that everybody dies anyway, so what the heck is the point on a page spread showing all the Stars deaths being reversed when we know they'll just die fighting Sailor Chaos.

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Wait, what? Have you seen it yet?

And I don't want something like PGSM. We have already had them do their own things, twice. I want a series that is 100% the manga translated into anime form.

Typo. I meant to write "I hope its not".

But no, a 100% adaptation would be both pointless and awful. The manga was not well written. PGSM was far better written and the anime, while not faultless, was a heck of a lot funner, had far better characters and had a far better plot that didn't take itself too seriously. I don't want PGSM again, but I do want an anime that's written better then the manga was, similar to PGSM's superior writing to the manga, rather then a straight adaptation.

[Dr Kain]

Where everyone dies? Nobody died. They were all frozen to be woken up later. What part of the Dark Moon Kingdom saga did you not understand?

[Starscream Gaga]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Where everyone dies? Nobody died. They were all frozen to be woken up later. What part of the Dark Moon Kingdom saga did you not understand?

What part of Sailor Stars did you not understand? Sailor Cosmos was trying to reset the universe because the battle had become so costly in her time. It wasn't blatantly said, but the implication was very much that the other warriors had all been killed and that the world had been devastated. Sailor Cosmos came from AFTER Crystal Tokyo. The one picture of Sailor Chaos we got didn't give us a very happy outlook on the future where they and Sailor Cosmos are fighting each other.

Sure, it was glossed over like pretty much everything in the finale of the manga and never spoken of again in order to pretend the ending was a lot happier then it was, but it was there. That was the reason Sailor Cosmos had come back in time and Sailor Moon made the conscious decision NOT to stop that future.

[WhiteRanger]

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Originally Posted by Starscream Gaga

What part of Sailor Stars did you not understand? Sailor Cosmos was trying to reset the universe because the battle had become so costly in her time. It wasn't blatantly said, but the implication was very much that the other warriors had all been killed and that the world had been devastated. Sailor Cosmos came from AFTER Crystal Tokyo. The one picture of Sailor Chaos we got didn't give us a very happy outlook on the future where they and Sailor Cosmos are fighting each other.

Sure, it was glossed over like pretty much everything in the finale of the manga and never spoken of again in order to pretend the ending was a lot happier then it was, but it was there. That was the reason Sailor Cosmos had come back in time and Sailor Moon made the conscious decision NOT to stop that future.

I thought star was mostly filler

[Starscream Gaga]

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Originally Posted by WhiteRanger

I thought star was mostly filler

Manga only. The anime, thankfully, went a completely different route that ended in a much, much more satisfying and less confusing conclusion.

Sailor Cosmos wasn't in the Stars anime either, instead Chibi Chibi was Sailor Galaxya, which worked just as well.