Lack of nonmorphed action in later seasons

macblo · 05-07-2016, 01:26 AM

At the time of writing this, I'm in the middle of watching Kakuranger. One of the things I've noticed is that they do quite a bit of action outside of their suits compared to more recent seasons. Not them fighting against an enemy, but they're attack more often before they have a chance to transform. Why don't they do stuff like this any more? Actor safety? Cutting down on violence? Just something I'm curious about.

Matrixbeast · 05-07-2016, 01:46 AM

Man, I loved the unmorphed scenes in Kakuranger. Helps you feel like they're real martial artists~

Anyway, the easy answer to this question is to sell toys (They don't sell unmorphed actor toys, after all

)

But I think it's to let them get away with larger stunts and action pieces. Unmorphed, all the actors can do are flip and throw punches and kicks. Morphed, they can bust out the weapons, the enemies can throw bigger attacks (Since it's easier to believe the ranger in suit can survive such an explosion now), they can get to the special attacks (Which usually just relies on CG rather than on screen acting), and they don't have to re-shoot an entire fight scene if an actor flubs a line~

macblo · 05-07-2016, 02:04 AM

Ya know, I should be angry that they cut out most of the unmorphed actions scenes to promote toys, but I'm more angry at the fact that I didn't realize that first. Its always toys. Funny thing is, I heard that action figure don't even sell all that well. Meaning they cut out cool action scenes to promote toys nobody wants to buy. I'm not sure what to say about that.

Matrixbeast · 05-07-2016, 03:03 AM

That's just the easy answer, since when you ask something about Sentai, the entire planet will scream "TO SELL TOYS"

But in reality, I just think it's because they want to make the action scenes bigger, and it's a lot easier to send an man in a fully covered suit flying on wires after blowing a brick of C4 behind them than it is an actor~

YellowAccel · 05-07-2016, 03:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by macblo

Ya know, I should be angry that they cut out most of the unmorphed actions scenes to promote toys, but I'm more angry at the fact that I didn't realize that first. Its always toys. Funny thing is, I heard that action figure don't even sell all that well. Meaning they cut out cool action scenes to promote toys nobody wants to buy. I'm not sure what to say about that.

Well, it's true that the action figures doesn't sell well. I mean, it's pretty obvious considering not every serie get action figures. But the main point of the "morphed fight scene" is to show the weapons.

Switchblade · 05-07-2016, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

But I think it's to let them get away with larger stunts and action pieces. Unmorphed, all the actors can do are flip and throw punches and kicks. Morphed, they can bust out the weapons, the enemies can throw bigger attacks (Since it's easier to believe the ranger in suit can survive such an explosion now), they can get to the special attacks (Which usually just relies on CG rather than on screen acting), and they don't have to re-shoot an entire fight scene if an actor flubs a line~

It's also rare anymore that they hire any actors with actual martial arts experience; it's mostly idols and aspiring drama actors anymore, few of whom are really prepared for/capable of doing a lot of the stuff the action scenes call for. It's rare anymore that you get a Keiichi Wada or Kane Kosugi. As far as I know (and please correct me if I'm wrong), the last face actor we got with any sort of martial arts knowledge was Junya Ikeda in Gokaiger.

Matrixbeast · 05-07-2016, 10:04 AM

I considered bringing up the actors being idols and the like, but I didn't because everyone will bring up something like "UMMM, EXCUSE YOU MATRIX! Tochida Mikeru is a well known martial Artist!" or something

EpsilonX · 05-07-2016, 10:41 AM

I also heard that there's some sort of agreement regarding "rules" for creating Sentai to make it easier to adapt into Power Rangers...could having less unmorphed fight scenes be one of them?

Sevenlima · 05-07-2016, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Switchblade

It's also rare anymore that they hire any actors with actual martial arts experience; it's mostly idols and aspiring drama actors anymore, few of whom are really prepared for/capable of doing a lot of the stuff the action scenes call for. It's rare anymore that you get a Keiichi Wada or Kane Kosugi. As far as I know (and please correct me if I'm wrong), the last face actor we got with any sort of martial arts knowledge was Junya Ikeda in Gokaiger.

Issei Hirota is also a great example of a martial artist.

Matrixbeast · 05-07-2016, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EpsilonX

I also heard that there's some sort of agreement regarding "rules" for creating Sentai to make it easier to adapt into Power Rangers...could having less unmorphed fight scenes be one of them?

Why would they have to bend to Disney/Saban's rules for making their own product?

05-07-2016, 01:46 AM	#2
Matrixbeast Mighty Morphin Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Za Warudo Posts: 25,466	Man, I loved the unmorphed scenes in Kakuranger. Helps you feel like they're real martial artists~ Anyway, the easy answer to this question is to sell toys (They don't sell unmorphed actor toys, after all ) But I think it's to let them get away with larger stunts and action pieces. Unmorphed, all the actors can do are flip and throw punches and kicks. Morphed, they can bust out the weapons, the enemies can throw bigger attacks (Since it's easier to believe the ranger in suit can survive such an explosion now), they can get to the special attacks (Which usually just relies on CG rather than on screen acting), and they don't have to re-shoot an entire fight scene if an actor flubs a line~ __________________

05-07-2016, 03:03 AM	#4
Matrixbeast Mighty Morphin Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Za Warudo Posts: 25,466	That's just the easy answer, since when you ask something about Sentai, the entire planet will scream "TO SELL TOYS" But in reality, I just think it's because they want to make the action scenes bigger, and it's a lot easier to send an man in a fully covered suit flying on wires after blowing a brick of C4 behind them than it is an actor~ __________________

05-07-2016, 10:04 AM	#7
Matrixbeast Mighty Morphin Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Za Warudo Posts: 25,466	I considered bringing up the actors being idols and the like, but I didn't because everyone will bring up something like "UMMM, EXCUSE YOU MATRIX! Tochida Mikeru is a well known martial Artist!" or something __________________

05-07-2016, 10:41 AM	#8
EpsilonX Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: CA Posts: 2,579	I also heard that there's some sort of agreement regarding "rules" for creating Sentai to make it easier to adapt into Power Rangers...could having less unmorphed fight scenes be one of them? __________________

05-07-2016, 10:44 AM	#9
Sevenlima Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 2,505	Quote: Originally Posted by Switchblade It's also rare anymore that they hire any actors with actual martial arts experience; it's mostly idols and aspiring drama actors anymore, few of whom are really prepared for/capable of doing a lot of the stuff the action scenes call for. It's rare anymore that you get a Keiichi Wada or Kane Kosugi. As far as I know (and please correct me if I'm wrong), the last face actor we got with any sort of martial arts knowledge was Junya Ikeda in Gokaiger. Issei Hirota is also a great example of a martial artist. Last edited by Sevenlima; 05-08-2016 at 07:07 AM..