[GoseiWonder]

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Originally Posted by henshinzero

Good point. Beelzebub for example.

But how would you all make the Phantoms & Imagins a menacing threat?
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Another question... how would you rewrite Kiva entirely? Wataru was the worst hero who can't stand up to a fight and has to rely on Kivat. And this whole timeline thing is so confusing. Including Den-O, Ryotaro can't fight for himself relying on his "Imagins".

Phantoms were fine in a "free agents who lust for devastation" way, evil doesn't always need some great plan. A lone guy walking into a Burger King and unloading an AR-15 because he's sick in the head is still as evil as well known local cult doing so in their quest to destroy all fat non-vegans.


And Kivat is literally Wataru's Henshin device, saying he couldn't fight without him is like saying Shotaro and Phillip were bad Riders because they couldn't fight without relying on Gaia Memories and the W Driver. Plus did you watch Kiva? He can fight very well in the start like most Riders, and one can assume he's been doing this for years. His issue is the rest of his confidence outside of battle. Which considering how he is in the end of the series means he's matured and become a true hero in and out of suit.

And that's time travel for you. Why do you think Doctor Who has the "ball of wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey" thing? Or are you not talking about the Time Door?

[Matrixbeast]

Concerning Ryotaro being unable to fight, that's because he's not a fighter. He preferred peaceful solutions and would much prefer shouldering the blame for something he didn't do rather than get antagonist.
Ryotaro felt like an honest to goodness pacifist who was forced to fight, which I liked.

[Spiteface]

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Originally Posted by Switchblade

I would keep the original writers and producers. And possibly lock Toshiki Inoue up so that he never got a chance to write Kiva.

I've not got to Kiva yet (I'll get to it - working through the Heisei Rider series) but I just recently hit the retooled episodes of Hibiki, and it's funny how you can tell Inoue got his mitts on the show - a new character appears who is a jerk, and soap opera storylines were people have trouble actually having sensible conversations with each other.

[MaskedRiderAsakura]

How did everybody feel about the Ryuki ending? Been a while since I've revisited that show, but I'm so torn about the ending. I hate the fact that all of the development the characters went through can basically be tossed out of the window, but at the same time it's a brilliant ending because it's a natural conclusion to the core theme of the show: that for better or worse, this is how life should be like for the Riders. I especially like it in regards to Kitaoka. Even if he may still have his cancer, at least he gets to enjoy his dying days in peace, rather than going to war trying to chase immortality.


I don't know, guys.

And if we're talking about rewrites, I have a few for Faiz:

- Mihara was a completely unnecessary character. They had several characters already in the show that would have been a great 3rd rider to complement the main two. Kaido would have been the best choice I feel, if they still wanted Kiba to be Kaixa in the end. It definitely would have been badass if Kaido, as Delta, was leading the Riotroopers. You also could have used Kiba, although I'd prefer he just become Kamen Rider Orga like how he did in the movie. Mari wouldn't have been a bad choice either, but we all know how Toei feels about woman riders. They either die, or everybody forgets about them.

- The plotline with the Orphnoch King really needed a conclusion. As it stands, Faiz as a series isn't even complete since the Big Bad is still out there, and so is the woman from Lucky Clover. All that really happened throughout the series was that a couple of allies and a couple of glorified henchmen died.

- I actually dig Takumi as a character a lot, but I feel like the writers didn't do a good job of showing what they were going for with him, with him sort of going through this self-imposed loner phase. It's probably why he sat there and let Kusaka turn the group against him.

[XW1n5t0nX]

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Originally Posted by MaskedRiderAsakura

How did everybody feel about the Ryuki ending? Been a while since I've revisited that show, but I'm so torn about the ending. I hate the fact that all of the development the characters went through can basically be tossed out of the window, but at the same time it's a brilliant ending because it's a natural conclusion to the core theme of the show: that for better or worse, this is how life should be like for the Riders. I especially like it in regards to Kitaoka. Even if he may still have his cancer, at least he gets to enjoy his dying days in peace, rather than going to war trying to chase immortality.

I enjoy the ending. I do get why it upsets people, and there is some validity there to the arguments. But like you said it feels like the type of ending to a degree a Rider should have...somewhat. Pre the reversal I think it is pretty interesting and almost welcome that everybody is pretty much dead who was a Rider or had any involvement with the war (I won't count Ore since they only knew of Shinji being a Rider and not all about the war) because it harkens back to how tragic Rider was shown. You become one you're basically a soldier till the day you die. Ryuki in general is a great throwback to the tragedy of becoming a Rider and what it entails, and so I think the fact that they all basically meet their end is rather nice if again tragic (Shinji, Ren, Kitaoka, Satoru, and Mitsuru especially).

As for the re-set, I like it. True I do enjoy the whole darker ending, but considering we know about time travel being an aspect, it sort of makes sense it comes to play in the end, and tying it in with Kanzaki learning his lesson (sort of) gives it a bit more meaning. Plus it is nice that they are given the chance in the end to (for the show's timeline) have normal lives again).

Overall I like the ending. Could it be better? Probably, but it works well for the series.

[EpsilonX]

Okay, this is driving me crazy. Who is that standing towards the back, inbetween Riderman and Kuuga? I recognize it but I cannot place it and none of my research is helping me

[Phantom Stranger]

V3, specifically the Next version.

[EpsilonX]

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Originally Posted by Phantom Stranger

V3, specifically the Next version.

That explains it. I kept thinking "Man, it looks like V3, but it clearly isn't. V3 is two riders away."

[henshinzero]

In Ryuki, the riders go into another world through mirrors.

In Den-O, he and Zeronos travel on a train through time.

And in Wizard, he and Beast travel into one's "Underworld" to destroy the inner Phantom.

How would you all propose a new rider that travel through dreams after Ghost?

[Switchblade]

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Originally Posted by henshinzero

In Ryuki, the riders go into another world through mirrors.

In Den-O, he and Zeronos travel on a train through time.

And in Wizard, he and Beast travel into one's "Underworld" to destroy the inner Phantom.

How would you all propose a new rider that travel through dreams after Ghost?

LSD.